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polgyver
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Some ostomates like to keep their stomas more clean, and to accomplish this goal, use water to rinse their pouches (bags). There are videos on YouTube which teach, how to do it. Most popular way is to pour some water into pouch's outlet, close it and shake, so the water mixes with output, and the mix can be poured out to the toilet. For better results, some people use E-Z Vent and special attachment to inject water into the pouch, thus enable reaching upper parts of pouch to rinse. 

As I use my invention - Long, Wide Vent, it is easy for me to rinse my pouch by inserting a small funnel into top of the Vent and pour water through the Vent and pouch, the water flows over stoma and its area, taking down all residue.

Recently I was thinking about improving the Vent with a closure, and got an idea about a pouch, which could have another sealable outlet, identical to existing one, but located  ON  TOP  of the pouch. There, I could pour water without a funnel, and in larger quantity, think - micro Niagara... 

I started searching the Internet for this topic and - presto - found out, that such a pouch with two sealable outputs was invented a few years ago, and there is a video on YouTube with its demo. The inventor's name is Jezekiel Ben-Arie, he is a professor at Chicago University and he (somehow) got such pouches made for him. He displayed his e-mail on this video, but it is blurred and is impossible to read. 

I am very interested in obtaining such 2-outlet pouches to try them out. Does any member of this Forum know more about it ?

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polgyver

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polgyver
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 - here is the link to this video

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GoatHerder
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I've mentioned it before, but I just jet my bidet up the end of the bag and Bob's your uncle, my bag is cleaned out in seconds!

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VeganOstomy
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The double-ended bag seems like a neat idea, but it overcomplicates something that shouldn't be complicated.

I posted the Ez-vent method as an alternative for anyone who's already using it. But adding water to your bag and swishing it, or as @goatherder says, simply using a bidet sprayer, should be more than enough.

It's important to understand that rising your bag is completely optional and not at all necessary for the health or cleanliness of your stoma. It's only to get the bag clean, if the wearer desires.

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granddayout
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Posted by: @veganostomy

It's important to understand that rising your bag is completely optional and not at all necessary for the health or cleanliness of your stoma. It's only to get the bag clean, if the wearer desires.

@veganostomy I'm glad you mentioned this. In all my initial reading about how to care for your Ostomy nothing really addressed cleaning the pouch. In this forum I read where some people put water in, swish it around and let that rinse it. I've been doing that from time to time especially when my output is a lot and real thick - just helps me feel cleaner.

 

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Posted by: @veganostomy

It's important to understand that rising your bag is completely optional and not at all necessary for the health or cleanliness of your stoma. It's only to get the bag clean, if the wearer desires.

I rinse with water using a bidet attachment mostly to help keep my hands cleaner. 

If I am in a situation where I can't rinse its harder to keep my hands from getting output on them even if it is just a tiny bit.  It also makes it easier for me to see what is going on inside the bag when I rinse it.  

But again its personal preference.

cygo

 

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Posted by: @cygo

If I am in a situation where I can't rinse its harder to keep my hands from getting output on them even if it is just a tiny bit.

That's funny, I find that rinsing increases my risk of getting my hands dirty. ? But I'm also not using a bidet sprayer, so that could be why.

As with most things ostomy care related, the “whatever works” principal is at play here!

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Chelly
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I think what I saw in that video is much more complicated than just putting water in the end of the pouch with a water bottle or plastic soda pop bottle and swishing and letting it drain into the toilet. 
I can’t see myself doing all of that in the video without making a huge mess. I wish I did not have to rinse but it is what it is. 


   
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@veganostomy 

 

i rinse my bag with a bum gun ( bottle of water when not available ) every single time i empty as i not only feel cleaner but the bag ( b braun flexima 3s 2 pc )  has a long tail that is a mess unless i rinse 2 or 3 times every time i empty.      i havent found any reason not to rinse every time if thats what makes you comfortable.....    


   
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VeganOstomy
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@davidinthailand Do you spray right up to the top of the bag (past the stoma)?

My stoma shrinks when it gets wet with cold water, so it introduces leaks. When I rinse, I basically only try to get the lower half of my bag wet, or I'll use warmer water and do the entire bag.

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@veganostomy 

  i fill 1/3 and swish it around.     ( the cold water actually feels good to me ) 

     as for getting my hands dirty,     its easier to clean up than my leg or pants.      i keep a bottle of hand sanitizer next to every  toilet in the house


   
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@goatherder I would love to try that but I live in the U.S.  no bidets


   
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Kirsten
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@bigmike322 bidets (separate fixture) and bidet attachments (added to an existing toilet) are definitely available in Canada and the US - pretty cheap too. $30-100 on Amazon. I have a "Tushy" in one of my bathrooms and it's awesome. Mine is connected to the water supply from the sink, so it can use warm water. Plenty just attach to the toilet water supply (cold only).

In my non-bidet bathroom I just keep a cup on the back of the toilet for rinsing. The bathroom is so small that I can reach the sink while sitting on my little stool in front of the toilet! Makes things simple if I decide to rinse more than once - lol!


   
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BigMike322
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Nice.  


   
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@bigmike322 They can be purchased on Amazon and in well stocked plumbing supply stores. It's important to get one that will swing out from the edge of the toilet to the center. I sit at about 45 degrees from forward on the potty, and my bidet is in a perfect position to flush out my bag from the bottom opening.

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@goatherder  ... with one like that I'd get shot in the face.  My neighbor has one hooked up in each washroom & his has a hose connected to rinse a pouch.  I just use  plastic disposable cups & they sit on the top of a 3 drawer plastic cabinet from Canadian Tire, amazon also has them & that hosts all my supplies. It's as old as my ostomy.  One year when we had to be evacuated due to forest fires, my son just rolled it to the front door put a strap around it & put it in the van & away we went. If need be it could have layed on its side in the trunk/boot of the car.  Its light enough &  even I can lift it with supplies in it. 

I don't enjoy cold water in my pouch or running water till its warm, we live in frequent drought conditions, so I fill 4 cups with water after each rinse then its mostly room temp. for the next round. I am looking for a short squat plastic type jug with a secure lid I can open the spout with my finger to pour from it as lately my muscle co-ordination is struggling & I'm knocking cups over more often then I'd like & well, we all know water Runs! Lol! 

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@bigmike322 

     bum guns are availble on amazon for around $30. super easy to install and it will change your life............


   
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