In another topic, I touched upon emailing manufacturers about which of their prodcuts are vegan. So, I emailed Dansac to ask which of their products are vegan. It turns out that Dansac is a Hollister sub brand, I guess they mainly cater to the European (and UK) market. So the reply I got was some generic information about the Hollister products. Translated, this is what they said: "The productlines TRE en Ceraplus only use pectine en CMC as their hydrocolloids, so these have no gelatine in them. Powder is a combination of all three hydrocolloids (red. so this is pectine, CMC and gelatine), so I would avoid that. CeraRings, TRE Rings and paste contain only pectine and CMC, so those are fine. Allow me to share the Corporate statement about the use of animal ingredients: We cannot guarantee our products to be vegan. While we may not specifically use animal derived materials in some of our products, the raw materials that we source may contain substances that have been in contact with animal derived materials through handling or manufacturing." Dansac have some TRE products, but the answer I got did not specify anything about the GX lines. Or the lines that do not contain TRE. So I have sent a reply where I ask them (very politely) to be more specific about the Dansac lines. I explain further that as patients we don't really have a choice in the products that are subscribed to us, and that not only vegans have a problem with i.e. gelatine. No doubt we sometimes have to make concessions if there is no vegan / no-gelatine choice available. So I also hope to create more awareness that patients are not just a 'group of people with medical problems', but that we might want to avoid products because of lifestyle-/ religious choices. Hopefully this will motivate companies to innovate. Anyway, curious to see what their next response will be. If specific enough, I can make a list of veganfriendly / non-vegan products. Incontinent in a better way, since 12 July 2023 I'm glad you got a reply from Dansac! I had contacted them a while ago and never received a reply. LOL Their corporate statement is likely true for most companies, since very few are actually "vegan certified" and even companies who make overtly vegan products may still use factors that handle non-vegan materials. I've learned to pick my battles when it comes to things like that, since most of the time, it's not in our control. When I have more time, I'll add those Dansac products to my list of vegan/non-vegan products (especailly if you have a list already going!), but please let me know what they say about your reply. The religious angle is actually something that I've seen being used as an argument against the use of certain ingredients, so that might hold more weight than one of lifestyle. Thanks for doing all that! It's nice to see proactive advocacy 👍  Just your friendly neighborhood ostomate. I got another reply from the 'Direct to consumer specialist' from Hollister. This is their translated answer: "We understand your concerns and we too, try to be as environmentally friendly and compassionate to animals as possible. The non-TRE products however, are somewhat older products, not manufactured with the use of our latest technology, which is why they often still contain gelatine. TRE is made with the use of advanced technology that makes it possible to absorb moisture without having to use hydrocolloids such as gelatine. Because of their unique abilities, we would advise you to try our TRE or CERA Plus products first. If they are, for any reason, not the right product for you, we can look at other products specifically by ingredient." Ending paragraph; feel free to contact us if you have any further questions, etc. Again, half of an answer, because they didn't specifically address the GX lines. But the Nova, Novalife etc. lines that do not specify TRE are probably the older products they were referencing. Well, at least they do try to do as little animal testing as possible, according to their governance documents. I would love to see manufacturers add a vegan label to their products when appliccable. Maybe we'll get there some day. I'm also interested in Laprocare which is a Dutch brand, apparently. Their Sensitive and Flexible lines are vegan. Unfortunately, the black bags are only available within the non vegan Comfort line. Incontinent in a better way, since 12 July 2023
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